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Cohesion Dialogue [email protected]

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Hello All

Please feel free to invite others to our Genesis Dialogue on April 22nd at 3pm GMT

This is where we are at now. 

I offer my excitment and gratitude at meeting you all as we honour the work of Gesssell, Bohm, Krisnamurti, with us standing on the shoulders of giants to peer into the future and to make it present

Here is the zoom recording of today’s dialogue

I have also attached a review by EOLAS the Eirunomics Chat GPT if it is of any use to you 

@Chris - EOLAS suggests you may find it useful to join us on April 22nd at 3pm GMT on zoom link https://us02web.zoom.us/j/3639636669

The GAP platform may provide us the PLACE ledger that we have been speaking of

Michael has committed to do a demo to review Dialogue 2 where people can stop the video, annotate it, flag it etc

The next part will be to place it inthe Indyweb where it is accessable withoiut it being locked into any one platform (IPFS for example)

Dialogure3 will be what Josh calls a Genesis Event where we all Dialogue on our ‘parts’ such that they become a ‘whole’

Then, others can be invited into the continuous dialogue through the recording of Dialogue 3 and Michael’s demo, through annotations and on Gyuri’s Indyweb, with GAP being offered as a GIS layer



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Paul




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Date: 8 April 2026 at 16:42:18 IST

Meeting assets for Paul Mooney's Personal Meeting Room are ready!

Meeting summary 


Quick recap

The meeting focused on developing a sustainable learning pedagogy and dialogue methodology for Economics 2.0, with participants discussing technical solutions for enhancing collaborative conversations. Cameron presented his GeoCybernetic Atlas Protocol (GAP), a spatial mapping system that enables precise land tile management and cryptographic proofs for property rights. Michael demonstrated a prototype for extending video conversations with annotation capabilities, allowing asynchronous participation and timeline-based contributions. The group explored how these technical solutions could support both Economics 2.0 content creation and facilitate more inclusive, accessible dialogue systems. Participants discussed the importance of creating an accessible "genesis block" for their conversation platform, recognizing that the current discussion was too specialized for broader participation. The conversation highlighted the need to balance technical sophistication with user accessibility while developing tools that could support ongoing collaborative conversations across different time zones and technical capabilities.

Next steps

Summary

Decentralized Web Integration Challenges

Gyuri discussed the challenges of integrating various decentralized web and certification initiatives, highlighting the Dark Forest Operating System as a significant development aimed at enabling seamless interoperability. He expressed satisfaction with the progress of his work despite the difficulties and emphasized the importance of infrastructure and information management affordances. Gyuri also raised concerns about security vulnerabilities in Linux systems following Microsoft's decline, sharing his experience with an outdated Linux machine that became inoperable after a browser update.

Browser Evolution for Information Management

Gyuri discussed the evolution of browsers into universal information management shells, highlighting features like tab search, split view, and vertical tabs that enable complex applications without programming. He explained how these capabilities, particularly in browsers like Brave and Opera, represent a game-changer for information management and decentralized web protocols. Paul demonstrated these features in Microsoft Edge and learned how to enable vertical tabs through the settings menu.

Brave Browser Recommendation Discussion

Gyuri recommended using Brave browser for its ad-blocking capabilities and improved performance, noting that it allows users to browse YouTube without signing in and control their data. Paul expressed interest in switching to Brave on his desktop after already using it on his phone. The conversation touched on concerns about data privacy and centralization in technology, with Paul sharing his perspective as a "rebel amongst the rebels" who questions established groups and systems.

Economics 2.0 Dialogue Integration Discussion

The group discussed integrating dialogue methodologies and Silvio Gazelle's teachings into Economics 2.0. Gyuri shared his work on "anti-anchetification," which he discovered overlaps with a project called Dark Forest OS. Josh mentioned his collaboration with Cameron on creating a new format for synchronous/asynchronous meetings to improve virtual communication for global projects. The conversation touched on the challenges of coordinating international teams and the need for more inclusive virtual discussions.

GeoCybernetic Atlas Protocol Presentation

Cameron presented his GeoCybernetic Atlas Protocol (GAP), a technology that enables the creation of tamper-proof land tokens and provides a way to map and manage land and resources. The protocol aims to address challenges in land registration and ownership, particularly for small communities, by allowing them to create their own land registers without government intervention. Paul expressed interest in the potential of GAP to help identify and manage common land, particularly in the context of ancient Brehon law in Ireland. Cameron explained that GAP could be used by local communities to manage their own land without relying on government processes, and could even be integrated with other systems like blockchain for currency management.

MSTO Spatial Tile System Demo

Cam demonstrated a spatial tile system called MSTO (Multispatial Tile Set Object) that uses a hierarchical approach to efficiently manage and store geographic data. The system offers significant computational benefits, including a 91% reduction in calculations and 10x faster processing, while also enabling geographic proofs and boundary definitions that could help resolve land disputes. Cam explained that the system's resolution is arbitrary but targets approximately business card-sized tiles at level 17, and discussed potential applications in mapping and simulations where seamless data transitions between different coordinate systems are needed.

Spatial Mapping for Shared Interests

Cam and Gyuri discussed the limitations and benefits of spatial mapping in connecting people with shared interests, noting that while spatial constraints are more limited than the space of ideas, they can still facilitate discovery through multiple approaches. Paul shared a personal use case involving a sacred site called Moninchea, suggesting how their proposed methodology could create a commons or sacred object for those who mention or have visited the site. The conversation was briefly interrupted by Josh addressing a scheduling issue.

Geographic Mapping and Proofs Technology

Cam discussed a technology that enables mapping and compressing earth tiles to create proofs about geographic areas, which could be useful for managing commons. He explained how this system could help monitor changes in monastery lands over time, potentially alerting to issues before they become severe. Cam also described how zero-knowledge proofs could be used to verify visits to monasteries without revealing personal information. Michael, who joined late, mentioned he had been working on a project related to money reform and anthropology, though he didn't elaborate further in the provided transcript segment.

Modern Memory and Social Currency

Michael presented his concept of using modern technology to carry memory forward, involving individuals carrying chains with hash-based records of interactions. He described how this system could recognize social currency and economic value that current money systems don't account for. Cam responded by comparing Michael's approach to the Holochain system, explaining that Holochain uses both local chains and a global DHT (Distributed Hash Table) for data sharing, and discussed how spatial context plays a crucial role in social networking platforms like Facebook.

Blockchain Authentication and Human Verification

Gyuri criticized blockchain systems, arguing they prioritize machine agents over human participants and that local consistency is more important than global consistency. Michael proposed a fraud detection approach using device behavior analysis, including barometric pressure, movement patterns, and GPS coordinates to verify human presence. Cam suggested that a rich history of human interactions could be a better indicator of authenticity than technical measures, and mentioned working with NextGraph as an alternative to traditional transaction-based systems.

Systematic Global Conversation Framework

The team discussed creating a systematic approach for ongoing conversations, with Josh emphasizing the need for a structured methodology that would allow all relevant participants, including those who couldn't attend, to fully contribute. Michael proposed using a prototype with basic features like real-time tagging, video recording, and AI transcription capabilities. The group agreed to use a future meeting as the "genesis block" for their global conversation paradigm, with plans to start with an accessible restatement of the problem and mission rather than using the current specialized conversation as the foundation.

Video Annotation Platform Development

The team discussed developing a video annotation platform for Economy 2.0, with Michael demonstrating a basic version that allows users to flag moments in videos and add labels or comments. They agreed to use the current meeting's video as demo material for the next meeting in two weeks, where they will have a broader discussion about the project's mission and intentions. The group decided to reschedule future meetings to start an hour later, and Josh suggested inviting Toyne to the next meeting to enhance the conversation.


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Josh Sidman [email protected]

Wed 8 Apr, 19:01
to Teun, Cohesion, Josh, Cameron, Thomas, Michael, me, Gien, Chris
I am replying to the group in order to invite a new participant, Teun van Sambeek, to join us. 

Teun, I hope you've been well. I have been participating in an on-going conversation that I think you might find worthwhile and could make a valuable contribution to.

If you have time, you can watch the recording of a meeting we had today, as well as review a summary/annotation.

We will be meeting again on April 22nd at 3pm GMT. I hope you can join us!

Best regards,

Josh

Chris Cook [email protected]

Wed 22 Apr, 15:55 (10 days ago)
to Cohesion, Josh, Cameron, Thomas, Michael, me, Gien
Hi Paul

A couple of resources here for consideration

Firstly, this holistic Post-Modern Fiscal Theory post was published by Izabella Kaminska's FT Alphaville blog in 2012 after I had a chance to get to grips with Modern Monetary Theory after a trip to Kansas City.

Secondly, this Fintech 2.0 post was published by Michel Bauwens in 2016

Finally, this 2019 ISRS@UCL submission to a Parliamentary Enquiry on Green Finance & Decarbonisation completed my action research on resilience strategy.

Since then, Marcus Saul and I have been developing the International Resilience Network initiative by building the Island Power development network from the grassroots upwards, with a shared energy invoice ledger as the key infrastructure.

Best regards

Chris


Teun van Sambeek [email protected]

Wed 22 Apr, 18:28 (10 days ago)
to Josh, Cohesion, Cameron, Thomas, Michael, me, Gien, Chris

Hello all,

This was a very good meeting! Thank you all again!

I copied the crypt link from my browser bar, created an account for Cryptpad.fr, and tried to find back the document. But it says I'm not allowed to use these links like that. Please Gyri can you help me fix this? Perhaps you can send me a new link, or find me in that space. My username of cryptpad.fr is teunvansambeek .

Thank you so much.


Cohesion Dialogue [email protected]

AttachmentsWed 22 Apr, 20:28 (10 days ago)
to Teun, Josh, Cameron, Thomas, Michael, me, Gien, Chris
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Hello All

I will use PaleMail for now as well as drop these materials onto cryptpad


We are the fractal we want to create

I have also had my own chatGPT called EOLAS analyse the transcript

Here is my prompt: Review this transcript very deeply. Read in between the lines. See what each lawful being is bringing to the table. Review this in the context of us wanting to create a continuous dialogue process and playform - this is not about money or not money and it is not about money supply. They are just arguments of people who do not know how to Dialogue. Position this response in the context of the compendium of dialogue. Pick out the potentials and the possibilities for a group of non-economists to simply create seven lines of code that can become the equivalent of stripe. Point out that stripe was created in Eire by two brothers. We may make two passes at review. Enjoy. Have fun. Be dlighteful. Celebnrate the joy we had from being together. 

I did a second propmt: now tell me what you rally think :-) Enjoy and be ready to be triggered !!

I parsed this through all my Dialogue sources of David Bohm and asked the LLM to help us stay focussed on the DIALOGUE - not on the Sodomy

We do not meet to argue about different economic systems

We meet to design a new Dialogue process, and we are its first users

Please feel free to have your AI review and lets practcie what we are dreaming in 

We are in fact, acting as the demo group for what JOsh wants to launch as Economy2.0_Series2

What fun!!!

I attach the review done by my EOLAS for fun! and also the transcript and the chatfile

I look forward to not having to do all this admin after a gathering - please please build the indyweb for all of humaneity (not a typo)

See you all in two weeks time


9am Peru Lima time

11am Buenos Aires time

3pm Dublin time

4pm Hungary time

5pm South Africa time

DMT  - Dublin Mushroom Time - whatever time you want to turn up at :-)

I will send a reminder as requested, but what will you do if I die in the meantime?

Who will remind you to turn up for a meeting you agreed to be at?

Lets not fall into nanny stateism here either

If people do not want to turn up, we wish them play and joy and love

Josh Sidman [email protected]

Wed 22 Apr, 22:19 (10 days ago)
to Cohesion, Teun, Josh, Cameron, Thomas, Michael, me, Gien, Chris
Excellent AI summary! I fully agree that our shared mission has nothing to do with economics and is all about creating a new communications paradigm. So Dialogue 2.0 seems like a good name for what we're working on. Once Dialogue 2.0 is up and running, Economy 2.0 can sprout off as a branch from that tree. And the fact that we are clear that Economy 2.0 is not the tree might create a much larger space in which many other 2.0 branches can grow from the same tree. I think we're on a good path...

Josh

Cohesion Dialogue [email protected]

AttachmentsWed 22 Apr, 22:22 (10 days ago)
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@Gyuri

How can we get thsi thread onto Cryptpad.fr ?

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Josh Sidman [email protected]

Fri 1 May, 16:06 (21 hours ago)
to Cohesion, Josh, Teun, Cameron, Thomas, Michael, me, Gien, Chris
Hi all,

I'm looking forward to our meeting next Wednesday. Just to let everyone know, I will have to leave 90 minutes after the scheduled start time. I would be ok with moving the start time 30 minutes earlier if that works for everyone, or else I'll just have to leave a bit early.

Paul, will you be sending out the meeting invite?

Thanks,

Josh